Global gospel star talks of love, sex, Oprah

 Global gospel star talks of love, sex, Oprah

Gospel singer Donnie McClurkin stepped on a London stage 20 years ago to record his second album. Now, the Grammy-winning pastor of Perfecting Faith Church in Freeport in Long Island is returning to the United Kingdom for 20th anniversary concerts Oct. 18 and 19.

McClurkin was jettisoned into global stardom when Oprah Winfrey named his 1996 CD as one of her favorite things.

He will celebrate his 60th birthday next month with a gospel-star-studded celebration a week later in Jamaica, Queens, also hosts "The Donnie McClurkin Show."

He features a mixture of new and classic gospel music, interviews and inspirational messages that airs online and in some 60 markets from the U.S. to the United Kingdom to Africa.

In addition to the Dove Award, he has won three Grammy Awards, ten Stellar Awards, two BET Awards, two Soul Train Awards, and one NAACP Image Awards. As of this year, he has sold more than 10 million albums worldwide.

Q.:There are celebrities who helped you early in your career. What difference did they make?

A.:I was nominal, B-level at best — and Oprah Winfrey got wind of the (1996) CD. She put me on her television show and held up the CD and said, "This is my favorite singer. This is my favorite project." And we went from 30,000 to 300,000 in a month and then finally went platinum. Then there's President George W. Bush and President Bill Clinton.They brought me to sing at the (Republican National Convention) and the (Democratic National Convention), opened it up to thousands of people in a room, millions of people around the world and that's where a lot of attention started coming in.

Q.:Is this London concert an unusual singing venture for you now, given you're pastoring a church and you're hosting radio?

A.:I'm over in London just about once a year in concert. Since "Live in London" 20 years ago, I've got a very strong base over there, very strong community in England and in Europe period, from Italy to Germany to Holland.

Q.:And do you sing much in the U.S. as well?

A.:I sing less in the U.S. than I do in Africa and Europe.

Q.:You won a Dove Award in 2017 for "The Journey (Live)" and you were recognized in 2001 with a Dove for "We Fall Down" from your "Live in London" album. What are a couple of main changes you've seen in gospel music over that time?

A.:In the Gospel Music Association, I see a lot of inclusion. For a long time, it was very, very segregated. GMA was for the CCM (contemporary Christian music) and the white gospel singers. And in the last three or four years I've seen such an inclusion, integration of black gospel artists along with the contemporary white gospel artists ... our black music form is the strongest music form in gospel music. It's what people gravitate to around the world, so "Oh Happy Day," the whole of our repertoire. It's been the most marketable. It's been the most commercial. It's been the most prominent. It's apropos that at this point in time we are now sitting with equality at that table as well.

Q.:You have described yourself as a victim of childhood sex abuse and when you claimed you had overcome homosexuality, that prompted opposition from gay rights groups. How do you describe yourself now and are you involved in either so-called ex-gay ministries or initiatives that affirm LGBTQ people?

A.:First of all, I've never been a part of any ex-gay anything.

My past is just that: past. P-a-s-t. It's gone.

Who do I consider myself to be now? I consider myself to be Donnie. A wonderful, old man now — I never thought I'd be calling myself that — who is peaking 60 years old come next month and who has overcome a lot more than sexuality.

But that's been a great part of my life. It is something that I celebrate. I am a part of a church that embraces everybody.

I believe in the love of God that reaches out to everybody, the love of God that is unconditional, the love of God that is not based on ethnicity, it's not based on denomination, it's not based on classification.

I believe in the transformative love that only comes through God and that's what I preach. That's what I live. That's what I teach.

I have a lot of LGBTQ friends in and out of the church. I've got a lot of people that appreciate what I've been through and they don't judge me and I don't judge them and that's the way that this is supposed to work.

It's supposed to be a love that is real and genuine, that can accept people for who they are, even if you don't agree with them.

Q.:There were reports in recent years of you dating another gospel artist, Nicole C. Mullen. So where does that relationship stand now?

A.:We are great friends. We are very, very great friends.

Q.:Is there any thought of retiring from singing or from preaching anytime soon?

A.:In another 10 years (laughs) or maybe 20 years.

Singing is something that's marginal for me now. I do it when I want to do it. I do it when it's convenient to do it, and I do it when it has a purpose, if it's going to bring somebody to a greater understanding of who Christ is.

I don't do it just for the entertainment aspect of it any longer. I am selective in what I do.

Aretha Franklin told me years ago, "There's a time when you got to sing and there's a time when you sing when you want to."

And that makes sense to me now. I'm at a time now I sing when I want to.

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